Top 5 reasons why Russia failed at the Olympics

Published by Alessandro Seren Rosso on Feb 25, 2010 3:39 PM in Russian National Hockey Team
Top 5 reasons why Russia failed at the Olympics
Top 5 reasons why Russia failed at the Olympics (Photo © Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

With the early quarterfinals exit, Team Russia set a new negative record as this was the worse Olympic outcome in their history. Since the first participation, 1956 Olympics in Cortina, Italy, Russia never had such a poor result.

Team Russia's roster was, on paper, the tournament's finest, but they couldn't live up to the expectations, even in the round robin, which Bykov's team ended with two wins and one loss, which determined the pairing with Canada.

RussianHockeyFans.com offers you top five reasons why Russia failed at 2010 Olympics.

Reason 5: Underestimation of the opponents

If someone remembers well, we used this reason also for the WJC failure article. While this was not the case in the quarterfinals match against Canada, this sure played a role in the other Russian defeat, against Slovakia. In that game Bykov's team played without passion, as Bykov himself stated after the game, probably thinking that it would have been enough a 5-minute push to run away with the win. Well, it wasn't enough. I'm putting some stress on this because if team Russia would have won they would have got a better seed, staying off team Canada so early.

Reason 4: Lack of spirit among leaders

Top players, especially in the game against Canada, didn't really show up and took the team on their shoulders. Alexander Ovechkin has been invisible in the quarterfinal match, not to talk about Evgeni Nabokov and Ilya Kovalchuk. About Kovalchuk, unfortunately he didn't manage to repeat the great effort he had in the two latest World Championships.

Let's browse the roster in depth. Alexander Semin, only two assists, Alexander Radulov, only one goal and one assist, Pavel Datsyuk, one goal and two assists. These are not the performances a contender would need from its top players, especially considering that Ovechkin, Malkin, Semin, Kovalchuk and others are without any doubt among the best players of the world.

Reason 3: Chronic lack of goaltending

And here we go again. Even if putting all the blame over Nabokov wouldn't be fair, once again team Russia lacked quality goaltending. Considering the good performances by both Nabokov and Ilya Bryzgalov in the latest international competitions, it was reasonable to expect kind of the same in Vancouver. But unfortunately Nabokov didn't deliver against Canada, letting in a couple of soft goals in the first period. And when Bykov benched him, after the sixth goal, it was too late.

As said, it was unexpected. Nabokov finished the Olympics with a terrible .853 of saves percentage and a GAA of 4.16. For comparison's sake, at the 2006 Turin Olympics he had, respectively, .940 and 1.34. At the Quebec World Championship, .929 and 1.78. It's safe to hope that for Sochi 2014 Semyon Varlamov will mature enough to take the starting or the backup role.

Reason 2: Bad coaching

Yet another common point in Russian defeats at any level. There is plenty to talk about the bad coach decision in the 2010 Olympic Hockey Tournament. The first thing that we should notice is Nabokov's usage in the quarterfinals. Why Bykov let him between the pipes after such a bad performance in the first period? While it's easy to talk with hindsight and claim that Bryzgalov should have started, it's safe to say that he should have been benched after the third goal or the first period to try sparking the team. He did had a couple of nice saves, but, conceding goal after goal, he lost confidence. When Bykov swapped him with Bryzgalov, the game was 6-1, too late.

Another problem of this team has been the powerplay. The Russians could assemble man advantage units made up of most of the world's best players and yet they were the third last worst team in the round robin with 12.5%. The same percentage as Germany, who surely didn't ice players of the caliber of Ovechkin, Malkin, Semin and Kovalchuk...on the same line. If we take the overall rankings, Russia stays the ninth seed with 15%. Once again, these aren't statistics you can put together if you want your team to be a contender.

The third coaching's fault was probably an over usage of the third and fourth liners. During the quarterfinals, only in the third period Bykov gave the top lines a bigger role, but once again, it was too late. Besides, Semin played not even three minutes in the game's final stanza.

The last thing we'll notice was that most of time team Russia didn't feature good teamplay, but mostly relied on one-by-ones or trying to do it all alone.
Vyacheslav Bykov has been team Russia's second big disappointment after Nabokov. It looked like a good coach was finally found, but it looks like he's not Olympic quality.

Reason 1: Let's face it, Canada was the best team

Canada dominated Russia since the first minute. After the first period many would have asked if this was a WJC game or an Olympic game as the game was loopsided in favor of the Canadians in a fashion never seen during international games. In the quarterfinal match Canada had much more than Russia in all departments: a better goalie (Luongo), better defensive play and, a bit surprisingly, better offense too. They might have less "names", but they managed to overcome all this with a more focus and physical play. There isn't much else to say on this matter, simply the best team deservedly won.

Russian Hockey Federation will have plenty to think over in order to avoid another debacle on the home soil in 2014.

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Comments

Vincent

Mar 05, 2010 11:21 PM

@John

Wow man you sure are incredible! As I recall, didn't Team Russia lose to Slovakia in shootout? Versus the likes of Malkin, Ovechkin and Kovalchuk, the Slovaks won in shootout where the stars are supposed to shine. Damn that must've been harsh for someone who cheers for a team that gets owned by the 9th seeded team (world ranking)!
You saw a changing of the guard in North America in just two tight matches against the US in the course of only a single tournament? Man you sure are a magician sir because last I checked, the top prospects of the NHL in the last years have never really been Americans. In fact, in the last two years, two Canadians were drafted as first-picks in the NHL (granted to you that the two years before they were Americans). Also, last year, the top 10 of the drafted players were only from two countries... guess what? Russians and Americans weren't to be found anywhere! Canadians and Swedes were on top. In fact, if there really is any changing of the guard, it is more likely to be that Sweden now pushes Russia down the slope and not Americans pushing down Canadians but hey... keep hoping it might actually happen someday.
About the two matches you brought up between Canada and Russia in the finals of 2008 and 2009... Team Russia didn't dominate, these were really tight matches exactly as the match between the US and Canada so bitching about Canada winning the gold in these Olympics from your part just makes you look silly since these were similar kinds of match. And looking at the comments after the 2009 match it seems it was a really close game so just quit bitching: Russia got owned by Canada this time.

PYC XOKKEI

Mar 05, 2010 8:43 AM

jtlc

You misunderstand me, today in Russia a number
of sports officials were given the chop for
corruption. I am not trying to make excuses
but players aren't paid millions of dollars
because they are useless.

Would you employ a bottom grade kids league goal keeper who you looked forward to scoring 10 goals against in first period on Saturday for $1000 a week?.

So how does Mikka Kirprusoff with a GAA of 1.33 come 15 meters out of goal and pass to an American who sticks it in open net, he is not stupid, , I don't know what's going, those Quarterfinals were a phenomenon.

jtlc

Mar 05, 2010 7:16 AM

bribes & corruption!!!!!! last time i looked, there were only a few countries ranked less corrupt than canada, and only a few countries more corrupt than russia. 'money'.. ovetchkin,malkin, kovolchuck,etc., would be paid a lot more in the khl, but still want to play in the nhl. bad refereeing & on drugs... you're grasping at straws, i'm laughing at you. next year's wjc is in the u.s.a., the spiders will have a field day in all those empty seats.

PYC XOKKEI

Mar 05, 2010 4:55 AM

I would like to see hockey played without
money, bribes and corruption. Then we will see
real talent a bit like in 72, but it was spoiled
by some Canadian slashing Kharlamov's ankle.

I mean take the Finns for example in quarterfinal, who gives up 6 goals in first 10 minutes?, throwing it couldn't be more obvious.

John

Mar 04, 2010 3:06 AM

lovetobeatherussians,

I'm impressed! For a duphus hoser Canuck, that was a fairly coherent comment. Like the rest of the hosers who have been writing in, you're beating your chest over the big win over Russia last week. You're entitled to crow over that 4-goal win over the Russians last Wednesday, especially because the sentiment was before the game that Canada goes in as an underdog. Yeah, home team, home ice, home fans, home referees (both of the refs in the game were loyal Canadian sons). Why underdogs, with all the home cooking you can eat? Maybe the world thought the Russians would roll over the Canucks because of Quebec in 2008. World Championship, Gold Medal game, home ice, 2-goal lead going into the third period. Or maybe it was because of the 2009 World Championships, when the NHL-only Maple Leaf squad, Stamkos and Nash, going up against a KHL-dominated Russian team, Morozov and Radulov, and you guys managed a grand total of 1 goal!

It sounds like you missed the point of what the big story was in Olympic hockey. Its been happening in youth hockey for the last several years. Who won Gold Medal in the U-16, U-17. U-18 and U-20 World Championships this year? And with all the advantages in Canada's favor in Vancouver, who pushed Canada to have to barely eke out a 1-1 tie in games played against each other, with a total goal advantage over Canada from both games. In the big show, who forced tens of thousands of heart attacks across Canada by holding the overrated homeboys to a whopping 2 goals in regulation time, before tying the game and forcing it into overtime. I know there were 32 million Canadian hearts that came out of their mouths when the previously missing in action Sid the Kid got a lucky bounce on a one-timer in overtime! Not exactly a dominating performance.

The real story of Olympic hockey was the changing of the guard. I'm going to have to be more direct, because you're probably still not figuring out what I'm alluding to here. In North America, the US is moving to the top of the mountain, and they're pushing Canada down to a lower rung! Its happening at every level of hockey, and its probably only going to get worse for the Maple Leaf boys.

Lovetobeattherussians

Mar 02, 2010 6:47 PM

would you listen to the shit coming out of this russia_4-life idiot. Not only do you not have a clue about hockey you come across as an arrogant ass who will, I believe eat his own words and have them shoved down your throats. The KHl, a superior league with superior athletes. what a joke!!! lol

Leading scores in your boring league are a bunch of castaways who could perform in the NHL. Morosov, captain of the team you put on the ice in the 2010 olympics, could not lead a rat to a garbage dump. You really needed true leadership to make the team work. Obviously a trait sorrily absent from your so called Superior team. When canada puts its best together and I will also say Kudos for the US team also, we will kick your a sorry ass any day of the week. Especially when we put our best against your best. Let me see, did't the US kick your sorry ass twice in the 2002 Salt Lake city games?!!!!

Pure magic....Pure Finesse with no results is more like. The best NHL team s would shove a stick so far up you no what, that these Dynamo have nots would not want to be seen in public for years to come. So before you insult the best players in the world Mister John Russia_for life moron, Have a look at your Russian overall performance and you might notice a huge decrease in the final results in these games. Even Putin was embarassed.I think Russia's loss to canada is a statement of the lack of Russia's national unity when it comes to building world class athletes. At least when the country was Soviet Russia, there was a clear distinction of building some of the best overall olympic team ever. Cannot be said now, especially your hockey team.

malkinfan

Mar 01, 2010 4:05 AM

By the way, good write Alessandro. Only disagreement is that I don't know if it was a lack of spirit, looked more like poor chemistry than anything, and yes they did quit after the 3rd goal (but who's to blame at that point). The whole tournament you could see that Ovechkin missed a Backstrom typed center, (Thought for sure that Kozlov was on the team for that sole purpose (because it wasn't he shouldn't even have been there)).
They could have also used some role players like Brylin and Kulemin who are defensively minded, rather than Kozlov, Zinoviev, Zaripov who are defensive liabilities and were rather ineffective.

malkinfan

Mar 01, 2010 3:58 AM

I don't think there were too many KHL players, just too many of the wrong ones. The bottom line was Bykov summoned certain players who didn't perform at the level that he thought they could. I mean Zinoviev and Zaripov were very disappointing and they saw a lot of ice time. He simply went with the wrong horses.
I just don't think that Bykov made the right decisions when he had too. ie goaltender situation, scoring chemistry, team selection etc... He should have taken some of Barry Smith's advice.
Hope to see some drastic changes next Olympics. The one line I like from Bykov was that "your generals need to become foot soldiers" (at the Olympics) in order for success. Unfortunately it is up to Bykov to instill this upon his players, and he didn't.

Russia_4_Life

Mar 01, 2010 1:55 AM

@JTLC

i did not watch game because i have better things to do than to watch pathetic North American hockey...
I saw a replay of the goal your wining crosby (who wouldn't even be a leading scorer in the KHL) scored.

If i were u i wouldn't be bragging about anything...it was one of the ugliest goals i have ever seen in my life...wait those are the only goals u canadians ever score...just throw the puck on net and hope for some miracle to happen...

Europeans know how to play real hockey, and Russia will slaughter ur team in 2014 u just watch, when the game will be played on a real international ice where what matters is actual skill and speed (Russia), not just size and the ability to dump and chase (canada)

Из России с любовью.....
Мы выиграем в Сочи 2014

jtlc

Mar 01, 2010 1:16 AM

Overtime... 2 0n 2... Iginla chips the puck to Crosby... Sid 'the Kid' shoots and... both John & Russia_4_Life heads explode !!!!GOLD....Tomorrow, the NHL resumes play. My team might not make the playoffs for that old,dented 1893 cup. It has a Russian player on it & I desperately want his name etched on it for eternity, bringing Lord Stanley home to Russia. An Olympic gold medal will always be 2nd banana to the 'people's cup'

Bure

Feb 28, 2010 7:39 PM

First of all - thanks for this site.
I come from Norway but have been following the Russian / CCCP since 1984 when i was 10 years old.
The game against Canada was painful - not because we lost but because how we lost. NEVER have i seen a Russian team (or another for that sake) play i game with no intereset, no heart than what the Russian did last night. I truly belive that Norway could have given the Russian a hard game the way they played.
I have to say i was very surpriced because as already mentioned here they had been showing good signs since Bykov tok over as a coach in 2007.
The way the come back in the 2008 final against the Canada is something that i never will forget....just like i will never forget this loss and how we lost it.
I can,t explain what is the reason for this...i mean they did not even try...heck i have read a lot of comments fra Canadians fans thinking Russia destroyed this game and did not show up at all giving the Canadians and easy victory and a boring game.
Canada did the right thing - i will not take anything away from them but come on...we are talking about the best hockeyplayer in the world and they played like this game where sort of a game they had to play but did not wanted to play...i still cant belive it. I am still closing my eyes where is see the Russian got on fire after they made it 1-3...startet to skate and bring on all their talents with a lot of heart and passion and winning the game...what i see when i open my eyes is far from this. PAINFUL!!!
Did you guys see this - in one moment where the puck was in the corner at the Russian zone their defender (dont remember who it was ) actually tought the puck was at the blueline where the puck acually was behind him in the corner ..there was also a canadian player there..and he scored...that said it all...the Russian was another place this night.
Ovi is the best hockeyplayer in the world but he was not that this night...i wonder why he did not play his normal play...i heard Tretiak say that he did not like Ovi to play that hard...?? Telling him not to is like taking his left arm away. Ok i will not go into the coaching and other stuff he could be better...at this very night we lost for a team who wanted everything much more than the Russian did....the game is beeing played on the ice as mentioned here...the Russian is their own biggest enemy...i hope they can forget this and use the good things we have seen in 2008 and 2009 to show that we are number 1 !!!

John

Feb 28, 2010 5:16 PM

Russia_4_Life:

I totally agree with what you say! If you go back to the 1970's and 80's, the differences in skill level was even more pronounced than now. Russian players all played in Russia for teams like CSKA and Dynamo, and they trained together, and trained very hard, for most of the year. What they could produce on the ice was pure magic!

Starting in 1991, when all the best Russian players immediately took off for the NHL (with the prospect of that much money, who could blame them?), they had to adapt to the NHL dump and bump style. The Russian players were ripped to pieces by the media and the fans for not adapting well - "no heart,""not physical enough,""won't come back on defense," were the most common criticisms that were heaped on the Russian players. Which makes little sense, since they invested millions to bring over players who were primarily highly talented, skilled, finesse players, whom they expected, for some strange reason, to transform into "gritty grinders" overnight.

That's why I have my fingers crossed hoping that the KHL and MHL will advance enough to be really outstanding leagues where skilled hockey can be played again. It would be a great shame if the kind of magnificent hockey that Russian teams from the 70's and 80's played should completely vanish from the Earth.

PYC XOKKEI

Feb 28, 2010 11:50 AM

All sport is subject to the supply of money, the players have to become actors in some cases
when it is nessecary to improve cash flow from
the public. The Olympics in Vancouver are in serious debt because Western nations blow all their money on credit, the main sponsor is bankrupt. Canada can't afford to not be in the final neither can the U.S.,
Notice how Finland showed the same lack of
interest. Sad reality of professionalism.

Russia_4_Life

Feb 27, 2010 9:50 PM

@John
That was very well said...and 100% true.
Not only is Canadian ice almost two times smaller than international ice (what most players are used to), but the Candians are all huge and take up most of the ice with their size. All they simply do is dump the puck behind the net and chase it (body check anyone in the way). This is absolutely pathetic hockey, all the skill completely dissapears out of the building, and unfortunately this is the direction north american hockey is going in.
Canada will never produce the same skill and talent as Russia, where the main emphasis in Russia is 100% pure skill and speed. Datsyuk, Ovechkin, and Semin are known to embarass goalies with their moves (which take years of hard work and training to master), Kovalchuk is the most accurate shooter in the entire world, Malkin is one of the best playmakers. All these skills do not just come out of thin air. Wheras all the Canadian players focus on is size and the ability to shoot wherever possible across the ice so they can go and chase it (which any player with absolutely no hockey experience can do).

Российский хоккей самыи лучшим в мире
Россия всегда будет лучше чем Канада

dimi19

Feb 27, 2010 9:19 AM

thanks Pasha :) i actually thought it might have been an interesting idea to play fedorov on defense, as scotty bowman did in detroit, and bruce in washington, fedorov is actually very smart, and could have been more useful on defense, instead of kalinin lets say...

Pavel Anisarov

Feb 27, 2010 8:19 AM

Dimi I agree with you. If I were general manager of Team Russia (obviously I am not, but one can imagine) I would have replaced Korneyev with Zubov, Zaripov with Artyukhin, and Kozlov with Kovalev.

Could you have imagined the lineups?

Ovechkin-Malkin-Semin
Kovalchuk-Datsyuk-Kovalev
Radulov-Zinoviev-Morozov
Artyukhin-Fedorov-Afinogenov

Gonchar-Zubov
Markov-Nikulin
Grebeshkov-Volchenkov
Kalinin-Tyutin

However nothing can be done about what happened, but my hope is that the next choices will be wiser and that deserving players are not left off the team. Just fun to imagine what might have been.

John

Feb 27, 2010 5:09 AM

WILL CANADA APPEAR AT THE RINK ON SUNDAY....OR WILL THEY FORFEIT AND CONCEDE THE GOLD MEDAL TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? In my opinion, the Maple Leaf nation is better off surrendering now, and avoiding a huge national embarrassment on Sunday. That was a putrid performance tonight against Slovakia. Get down on your knees and beg God thanks that you lucked into the Gold Medal game!!!

John

Feb 27, 2010 2:13 AM

HIGGY BABY!

Canadian hockey players are as skilled as Russians? No one is going to buy that! I'll give Canadians their due, but I'm not going to make up a fantasy about them. Not only are Canadians not as skilled as Russians, they are also not as skilled as Swedes, Finns, Czechs, and maybe tonight, Slovaks! The Canadian hockey hierarchy have been complaining about the absence of skill in the Canadian game ever since 1972, and for good reason! Canadian youth hockey doesn't teach skill, doesn't reward it, and frankly, I don't think they care about it. It's not what will win a job in the NHL.

Canadian hockey is all about dump and bump. If you have enough skill to advance the puck to center ice so that you can dump it into the offensive zone and chase it, that's all a Canadian coach wlll ever ask of you. That's why TV audiences in the US are smaller for NHL games than for documentaries about sea lions mating. Canada has won a lot of youth tournaments in recent years, but that can be attributed to a low-skill dump and bump hockey and a lot of home cookin' (almost all world junior games at every age level are either played in Canada, or in the US less than 20 miles from the Canadian border.

I'm not saying that with that many hockey players, you aren't going to have the odd Bobby Orr or Gretzky or Lemieux, but its amazing how few skilled players Canada produces, given the huge size of the hockey playing population.

Trondsky

Feb 26, 2010 9:29 PM

JTLC
no comments on that one .
Good luck against Slovakia

jtlc

Feb 26, 2010 8:35 PM

Trondsky... You feces obsessed trogladite.. You would stain this site by mentioning 'football ( soccer in N.America). Hockey is played by men who don't dive or embelish a check,then ly face down on the ice for sympathy from the ref.... wait .... that sounds like a russian player. Canada will be sending a slighly smaller 'team' to Sochi for the 'speed kills' on the bigger ice. Smaller Canadians are twice as nasty. Skill pfffff, I'll take heart everytime.

DaBich

Feb 26, 2010 5:54 PM

At Alexander Zaitsev ~ The Pittsburgh Post Gazette had a reporter in Canada blogging the games, before and after. After Russia beat The Czech Republic, Malkin stopped to speak with this reporter. Morozov (I believe, if not another Russian player) tried to pull Malkin away, with the excuse of a "team meeting." If that's not telling your players not to speak to the media, then what is?
Also, it was noted that the players early in the games, were relaxing and having fun pulling pranks. Malkin (again) was said to have driven a motorized cart thru the hotel area. Of course, he had to have hijacked it. (All in fun, of course). This fun was stopped and the players were told to keep to themselves.
As I said, if you treat men like children, what do you expect?

Alexander Zaitsev

Feb 26, 2010 1:52 PM

@dimi19
I think it has something to do with the fact that Kovalev didn't call Bykov back before the World Championship 2008.

dimi19

Feb 26, 2010 9:51 AM

does anyone know why bykov has issues with kovalev?

dimi19

Feb 26, 2010 9:51 AM

Russia's current roster:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_hoc...s#.C2.A0Russia

I would:

1. replace RW Morozov with Kovalev (and make Kovalev captain)

2. replace on of the defensemen from KHL with Zubov (most likely kalinin)

3. replace Kozlov with Frolov

4. replace one of the forwards from khl (not radulov) with artyukin (the guy brings a toughness not seen by khl forwards, nhl experience)

5, 6, 7,.... might come up with some more, but this is so far what i got

p.s. i never liked bykov, if he was willing to leave kovalev off the team (off any team he coached for that matter) then the guy is just purely selfish, because kovalev has always been a great player when it comes to playing for russia, so right off the bat bykov is not a good coach, thinking of his own personal interests ahead of whats best for the team

since when has morozov become a national hero, why is the guy being named captain and carrying our flag during the opening ceremonies, this guy was barely mediocre in the nhl, just cuz he's playing well in the khl doesn't mean #$%#$%,

p.s.2 if i were coaching the game yesterday, i woulda called a time out after canada scored the first goal, you could clearly see the russian guys were lost, and a time out coulda helped settled them down a bit, canada came out flying and on fire, i would started bryzi as well, i think he played better against slovaks than nabi against czechs or latvians

dimi19

Feb 26, 2010 9:50 AM

i think they had too many similar offensive players, a player like kovalev is different, i've watched him his whole career, he is very much a play maker, he creates opportunities for the players around him, he is a great passer, very underrated passer in my opinion, they were really lacking in that department, considering that malkin and datsyuk (also playmakers) weren't playing up to par, that's why the argument that they already had enough firepower doesn't apply to kovalev, because kovy would have brought to the team everything that they were missing, veteral nhl leadership and experience (including playoff experience), a true captain, amazing powerplay set up guy on the half boards, plus, kovy is a proven big game performer, on the teams that he's played on, many of the times, as kovy goes so does the team, (e.g. habs), i think he would have had a BIG, BIG impact on these so called young guys who didn't play as well

Trondsky

Feb 26, 2010 8:48 AM

BTW Denis Savard used to be my favorite player together with Paul Coffey.SKILL!!!!

Trondsky

Feb 26, 2010 8:41 AM

Higgy Baby,
there are more than 6 million football players(soccer) in Germany.That`s 5 times the total of hockey players in the world.In one european country.That means that in the world there are hundreds of times more football players than hockey players.The players that make it to the big leauges in Europe are there because of one thing.Extreme talent(and hard work)Hard work and some talent can get you to NHL but not to the big football leauges.There are about 65000 hockey players in Sweden and 35-40 of them play in the NHL.There are more than 800000 football players in Sweden, and less than 30 play in the big european leauges.
I have a feeling that canadians are obsessed with size.If you want hockey to evolve as a sport you have to get the most talented athletes to play the sport.Then you will see a sport with smaller players, but they will be faster,more skilled etc.I don`t think the human race will get much bigger,but there is no limit to skilled players can get

Alessandro Seren Rosso

Feb 26, 2010 6:43 AM

@mcremers
With names I meant players with name only, without play on the ice. Unfortunately for us Ovechkin was just a name in the match against Canada, while players with shorter CVs (and less media hype) where much better.

Higgy Baby

Feb 26, 2010 4:45 AM

David,

Yeah we're big ... but man we are skilled.

Our D is 6 foot 4 and all incredibly skilled so please don't sugegst we're unskilled.

Canada D is faster, stronger, bigger and hungrier that Russia's.

Our forwards ... Nash, Crosby, Iginla, Thorton, Getzlaf ... the list goes one ... PURE TALENT, and size.

Were were faster, bigger and more skilled.

Did you se ethat passing?

Did the Russian pass like that? No

Pure skill, pure size, pure pasion

You guys can not beat that.

And your coach was pretty arrogant not matching lines, not having his team fired up.

4 years to prepare, unfortunaltely I don;t think you've seen the last of Canada's new vision of youth, not age.

Crosby didn't even make the 2006 team?

David

Feb 26, 2010 4:22 AM

I'm a big Russian hockey fan from the early 70's when I first witnessed they way hockey could be played with skill and finesse not just brute force. I have always admired their skill speed and teamwork. But Canada without a doubt on the smaller ice surface have used one strategy to perfection every time.
Get the biggest toughest most talented aggressive players one thru twenty and run the skill players out of the rink.
Ovechkin and Malkin were mere spectators again just like in the World junior showdown 4 or 5 years ago when they took healthy runs at the Russian skill players without any fear of retaliation. Until Russia develop or bring some size and muscle to match the Nash/Getzlaf Staal's etc they'll be hard pressed to beat Canada especially in a smaller rink.Canada is simply too big /tough and aggressive to be stopped by sheer speed and skill . I've seen this movie too often at the world juniors so it's about time the Russian brain trust realize they need to alter there team makeup so as to have a chance against the North American muscle game.You can not allow players to take liberties with you stars without even the threat of retribution not to mention the free untouched path to the Russian net Canada had all night long. Nary a single Russian played with passion or vigor to deter those raids.I hope they learned a painful lesson for future contests.
It's was embarrassing to be Russian hockey fan last night.

John

Feb 26, 2010 3:14 AM

I'm a North American who is a bigger Russian hockey fan than a North American hockey fan. This is not the first setback Russian hockey has ever had! The best thing for the advancement of the Russian hockey program, believe it or not, is to actually keep on doing what they are doing!!! There has been a lot of criticism of the KHL in this thread, but the bald fact is, the KHL is the best league that Russia has ever had, by far! It just started, its still a baby, so keep investing in it - keep building on it - keep growing it. There is no law of Nature or of the Universe that says that the NHL must for all eternity be the best hockey league in the World. If the Russian hockey hierarchy has a vision of a great Russian hockey future, and has the foresight to keep working on the KHL, you will see Russian hockey start to show steady signs of improvement of depth and quality of players. Keep in mind, for the entire time that the best Russian players have gone to the NHL, Russian international teams have been abject failures!!

Maybe even more important is to redouble the investment in the MHL. The MHL has completed only one season, but it clearly has the potential to be the best junior hockey league in Russian history. To have a strong program, you have to have advanced youth development. Look at Canada as as case in point. Canada has great youth hockey, and it pays dividends by producing dozens of outstanding prospects every year. Russia doesn't produce dozens of good players every year, but it easily could, if the selection and coaching and compeitition allowed them to fully develop their potential. But that implies that Russian hockey officials must continue to work to make the MHL better and better, as well as to expand youth development as widely as possible.

Lastly, there has been a lot of criticism of Slava Bykov in this thread, much of it deserved. He made a huge blunder by failing to pull Nabokov at least by the end of the first period. A bigger sin was failure to have his team psychologically ready to face the Canadian pressure early in the game. As Ovechkin said, by the time they woke up, it was too late! But in a broader perspective, Slava Bykov represents a changing of the guard as far as Russian coaches go. Aside from being one of the greatest players that I have seen in his own right, he has the technical skills and the sheer intelligence to devise strategies and tactics to win. Hopefully, no more of the Vladimir Plyuschev type, old men who have nothing more to offer than screaming at and berating their players. Maybe they think they are emulating Tarasov and Tikhonov, because those guys were also screamers. But Tarasov and Tikhonov were technically brilliant coaches, and that is what I think Slava Bykov has the potential to be.

mcremers

Feb 25, 2010 11:11 PM

Believing that Canada has "less names" than Russia is pure ignorance. If you look at single season point totals, career point totals, and awards handed out in the NHL, these Russian players can't even touch Canada. Russia has 4 elite players. Ovechkin, Malkin, Kovalchuk, and Datsyuk. Two of these players play, or have played the majority of their career in the weakest division in the NHL where they are continually able to pad their stats. Canada's front end talent was easily deeper than Russia's and Canada's top-end talent was easily equal or even deeper than Russia's.

Get yourself educated about hockey next time you make a comment like that. Take a look at the facts and see that besides a few players, this group of Russians has accomplished nothing.

Alessandro Seren Rosso

Feb 25, 2010 10:59 PM

@Igor
I agree

@"too many KHL players"
Honestly, who to bring from the NHL? I agree with Alexander, when he says that about Frolov and Kovalev. And I also agree with all the rest he said.

jtlc

Feb 25, 2010 10:02 PM

'Unleash the dogs of war' No team could have survived that Canuck attack. It was breath-taking. Daa, Russia was out-coached pre-game and during, but Team Canada didn't award a roster spot for past achievement ( eg Federov). Five minutes left in the game and the camera focused on Tretyiak. Guaranteed, Canadians took NO pleasure in witnessing his pained expression. Clean hit by beautiful Semin, retaliation by ugly Boyle. After the replay, the Canadian announcers were surprised that the beautiful Russian Semin received an off-setting penalty. What was NOT surprising was that Beauty didn't retaliate back against Ugly. 'Beauty is fleeting,, Ugly lasts a lifetime' P.S. Canada 7-Russia 3 Massacre or not a Massacre love this site

Andrew_Yang

Feb 25, 2010 9:14 PM

@Alex

The "too many KHL players" comment, I think is deeper than they should have just taken the top 20 Russians in the NHL. As a fan of the Calgary Flames, I remember when Andrei Taratukhin left for the KHL. More recently Radulov left the Predators for the KHL. Again, not having watched any of the KHL, I'm assuming the level of competition is not the same as in the NHL. I would have to think that a league that has the top players from Canada, USA, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Russia, etc. would be better than a league with top players from just Russia. This is to say that player development at the level just below the elite of the elite i.e. 3rd/4th liners in the NHL suffers because of the KHL.

I will definitely admit though that I was ignorant as to the number of Russians in the NHL. I'm honestly blown away that it's only 25.

Lastly, I didn't say Ovechkin & Malkin did nothing. I pointed to the lack of backend depth and support as the problem. There is a huge difference between an elite puck moving defensemen and an average one, especially with the breakout scheme the Russians were using.

Igor

Feb 25, 2010 9:06 PM

This has got to be the biggest embarrassment i have seen in a long time. One of the darkest days of otherwise bright hockey history of Russia.

A couple of things I saw yesterday, just made no sense to me, and looked retarded. So Canada takes a 1-0 lead, we get a power-play, and the KHL line is on, what the fuck was that all about? Then, in the second period Nabokov is still in goal, geez, ever heard of a goalie switch?

Second period, he flips lines, and puts Ovechkin with Fedorov, is Fedorov, who by the way is a hell of a player, just past prime. expected to score. Not today.

Our defence was nowhere to be found on this day, Gonchar and Markov, are great, but reaching expiry date.

Hopefully in time for Sochi 2014, Varlamov, Kulikov and Orlov emerge to help us win. Because it really starts in the back end. Canada pressured us, forechecked, and we were just killed.

As far as coaching, Bykov looked to be an excellent coach. When he took over in 2007, we won a bronze medal, in 2008 we finally won gold after a 15 year drought. When Isaw theIlya Kovalchuk goal in OT, it was just the greatest moment of my life. In 2009, with a shorthanded team offensively, the Russians buckled down defensivly and finally won on goaltending. It looked like our men were passionate and plaayed with heart, and played as a team simpler and created chances for one another. In this tournament, we went back to our old failures.

Our power play was supposed to be deadly, it was dead. 13%, as good as Germany. (Bravo).

Overall, we need to play less finesse, and more passing team game. We held on to the puck for too long,and so it caused turnovers.

I love Ovie, but he looked disinterested yesterday. I know its hard, but he needs to produce when the game matters most. 2G, 2A, 4pts in 4 gp looks ok, but 2 goals were against latvia. In 2007 WHC, in 9 games he had only 1 goal. In 2006 Turin olympics, nice goal to eliminate Canada, but he & russia got blanked the semis and bronze match.

Like many Russians, I love our style of hockey we make the game interesting. To add to the excitement, we should care a little more about winning. Playfor the pride and the crest on the front, not your name on the back.

captain uZb

Feb 25, 2010 8:55 PM

Alexander Zaitsev

I can't agree more, The biggest disappointment isn't about a the results (any team can lose a game) but about the way the team has played. The comparision with 2008 or 2009 is obvious & hurts, Team Russia played without any intensity, like a junior team.

Canucks fans, IMHO It's not about less names, just russians players are known to be more spectacular & better "individual" players, but as we've seen it once again, they also have, , these last 20 years, too many times a lack of "fighting spirit".

Hockey is about teamplay, & Canadians seem to be as skilled as the russians, but they're more efficients as team players especially.

A national Hockey team is unstoppable only when they've got the feeling of pride and loyalty that exists among the members of a team and that makes them want their team to do well or to be the best. A.k.a team spirit.

Hoping they'll mind it for 2014.

jozsef

Feb 25, 2010 8:52 PM

I watched all of Russia's games because they are of course a good team to watch. What I was struck by most was the choice of Bykov for coach. In the quarter final game against Canada, the Canadian coach Babcock tried to match the Nash line against Ovechkin, and even though Bykov had last line change he did nothing to avoid Babcock's matchups. Coaching is a big part of the game and if one side is not utilizing good coaching then you can see lopsided results.

I agree the decision to keep Nabokov in net for the 2nd period was also a unforgivable mistake. With 4-1 and a goalie change the Russian snipers might of done some damage.

All in all I must say Russia has a great team and exciting talent, and I hope you guys can find a coach deserving of such a powerhouse team. This game was a disappointment to the Canada-Russia rivalry.

Alexander Zaitsev

Feb 25, 2010 8:43 PM

@Andrew_Yang
When people say "too many KHL players" they seem to forget that there are like 25 Russian players in the NHL. All others play in the KHL. Who do you think was left off the roster? Kovalev and Frolov? Seriously, if Ovechkin and Malkin showed nothing, do you really believe that Kovalev and Frolov could have changed something?

Andrew_Yang

Feb 25, 2010 8:33 PM

I'm Canadian, and have tremendous admiration for the Russian game. My thoughts on Team Russia 2010?

1. Too many KHL players.
2. Weak defense past Markov & Gonchar. Related to Pt 1.

I would say any of Russia's goaltenders are comparable to Canada's. The difference is Luongo wasn't facing odd man rushes where the opposing players were dancing around the defensemen. There were a number of scoring chances and goals resulting from an inability of the Russian defensemen in keeping up backwards or laterally with the Canadian player.

Not having watched any KHL, the only judgement I have has to come from the players that have left the NHL for the KHL, and players that continue to play in the KHL after retiring. I loved Fedorov during his prime, the problem of course is that a 40 year old Fedorov does not approach a 30 year old Fedorov.

Also relating back to the quality of the Russian defense, the forwards by-and-large are limited in the opportunity it create an effective rush if the defense is not able to move the puck out of the zone. The stretch pass out of the defensive zone can be extremely effective if the defensemen actually completes the pass, but more often than not the passes resulted in turnovers with the added penalty of having the forwards almost completely out of the play.

Honestly, what Datsyuk, Kovalchuk, Malkin, Ovechkin and Semin are able to do with the puck puts a good chunk of the Canadian forwards to shame with the odd exception. Sometimes though, an ugly shot on net is better than a dangle around 3 players with no shot.

Alexander Zaitsev

Feb 25, 2010 7:25 PM

@CanucksFan4, @Canuck21
I think Alessandro meant that on paper Malkin is considered to be better than Getzlaf, Ovechkin better than Nash, etc.
Canada showed that hockey is played on the ice, not paper.

Alexander Zaitsev

Feb 25, 2010 7:19 PM

As for me, I'll name just one reason - the Russians played with no heart.

After the second period, when the score was 3-7, I still believed in the team. I expected them to jump on the ice and start fighting like they never did before.

But what I witnessed was slow, lazy players skating as if it was a game from a off-season.

I don't really understand the players when they say "we tried". Seriously, I haven't seen any efforts at all. Remember the final in Quebec? That's where you were fighting boys, but not here.

Canuck21

Feb 25, 2010 7:16 PM

They might have less "names"? Boy are you underestimating Canadian talent. If most of Russian Hockey keep thinks like that, they'll continue having a hard time winning big tournaments.

Now I hope Canada isn't underestimating the Slovaks too. If they play as good as they did against Russia, then we should win.

Alexander Zaitsev

Feb 25, 2010 7:12 PM

@DaBich
I don't know where this information comes from, I mean that the players were told not to speak to the English-speaking media. Actually, after the game against the Czechs Ovechkin gave an interview to NHL.com.

CanucksFan44

Feb 25, 2010 6:37 PM

Not being overly familiar with hockey inside Russia, most of this article seems reasonable. I have enormous respect for the skill and passion of Russian hockey players and Russian hockey fans.

In regards to Canada "They might have less "names", but they managed to overcome all this with a more focus and physical play."

Less 'names'? That shows a lack of understanding of how good the individual players on the Team Canada are. They didn't 'overcome' anything. They played closer to their potential. If anyone is surprised by Team Canada's offense, they didn't do their homework.

DaBich

Feb 25, 2010 4:57 PM

I'm from the US and have this to offer:
Russia's coach's decision to play the KHL players more than the NHL players hurt your chances to defeat Canada. Why he did that is a mystery.

Also, the way the players are treated before and after games (told not to address the media and overall treated like children) is counterproductive to giving them a reason to play well.

I'm going by what is reported in the media, of course, but I'd say it's probably true. You can't treat grown men like children and expect them to perform like grown men.

Perhaps a new coach is in order for the 2014 games. Someone who is wiser to hockey play and wiser in how to interact with the players themselves.

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